Comments on: Cruise control: Gay pirates in the Caribbean, the economics of it all, and Tony Blair https://paper-bird.net/2012/03/22/cruise-control-gay-pirates-in-the-caribbean-the-economics-of-it-all-and-tony-blair/ Un pajaro de papel en el pecho / Dice que el tiempo de los besos no ha llegado Sat, 31 Mar 2012 15:01:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Priest: Transform shame in Dominica into change | 76 CRIMES https://paper-bird.net/2012/03/22/cruise-control-gay-pirates-in-the-caribbean-the-economics-of-it-all-and-tony-blair/#comment-1295 Sat, 31 Mar 2012 15:01:04 +0000 http://paper-bird.net/?p=2431#comment-1295 […] Cruise control: Gay pirates in the Caribbean, the economics of it all, and Tony Blair (paper-bird.net) […]

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By: Thomas Strong https://paper-bird.net/2012/03/22/cruise-control-gay-pirates-in-the-caribbean-the-economics-of-it-all-and-tony-blair/#comment-1246 Sun, 25 Mar 2012 10:01:19 +0000 http://paper-bird.net/?p=2431#comment-1246 This is a really evocative and brilliant analysis, thank you for writing it. Just regarding the ‘voice’ for the North American gay community the author chooses to quote (the one about the ‘morons’ in Dominica), it’s worth noting that a LOT of the commentary on the gay blogs is not condemning the authorities in Dominica, but is in fact condemning these two guys as irresponsible, stupid, slutty, or whatever. A very non-random sample that I just pulled up by glancing at the commentary on this story at Towleroad:

–“Boo Hoo. They broke the law. Too bad. It’s against the law to fornicate in public. It doesn’t matter if you are gay or straight…it’s against the law. As for being walked to an ATM to get the money, that’s standard procedure in a foreign country, even for a traffic ticket. In fact if you get stopped on the highway in Europe for a moving violation they can and will escort you to an ATM machine.”

–“This really doesn’t make me feel sorry for them at all. You were still naked, in public. You still broke the law and should have known better. It’s not like you can suddenly do whatever you want without legal repercussions just because you’re on foreign soil. You KNOW that gay people aren’t treated the same everywhere, yet you chose to taunt those that have power. I’m sorry, regardless of how you were treated after the fact, you should have kept your pants on, and you know it.”

–“Well, cry me a river. The saddest thing is Atlantis President Rich Campbell reportedly saying that Dennis and John were in the “wrong place at the wrong time”. Give me a break. Rich should run for politics. Atlantis cruises are allegedly cesspools of promiscuity where sex happens frequently and, if the reports from Dominica are correct, in public. One wonder whether Rich’s cruises turn a blind eye to such vulgar public displays in the name of money. If I had the power, I’d shut down Atlantis. At the very minimum, I’d mandate the deck be flooded with Clorox at every port.”

–“I have zero tolerance, patience or sympathy for these two. It’s against the law in pretty much every country on the planet to have sex in the open – and in most countries to be naked in public (not that I agree with the latter, but, the law is the law)- straight or gay. At the end of the day all these two did was give gay a bad name on that island. It’s as simple as that. And now they’re dragging their dirty wife-beaters around the media for sympathy. Wake up and grow up (they certainly look old enough to know better)!”

–“Sympathy for the inhumane treatment, but, ‘I’m not going to implicate myself one way or another,’ is a complete cop-out. Take responsibility for your actions and stop trying to make this about your sexuality.”

–“Of course, Dominica has homophobic laws. Of that, there is no doubt. Let’s, however, be clear about what went on. At the very minimum, it appears that the couple was naked on the balcony in full view of land. This is indecent exposure in anyone’s language. Would a naked straight couple have been treated differently? Possibly. But this doesn’t mitigate the offense. The offense still occurred.”

–“No sympathy for them. One of the guys is even a cop! He more than anyone should understand the concept of obeying the law. What they did, being naked in public, is not acceptable in most of the world and just because they were Amereican or gay and on holiday does not give them a free pass. Do the crime and you pay the fine. As for the jail conditions, what did they expect in a 3rd world nation? The Hilton? Next time you want to be naked in public go to a clothing optional resort and you can shake your money maker all you want.”

Read more: http://www.towleroad.com/2012/03/atlantisinterview.html#ixzz1q7Xxjw71

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By: Denny Smith https://paper-bird.net/2012/03/22/cruise-control-gay-pirates-in-the-caribbean-the-economics-of-it-all-and-tony-blair/#comment-1239 Fri, 23 Mar 2012 18:55:27 +0000 http://paper-bird.net/?p=2431#comment-1239 The angry American on Queerty.com is a racist embarrassment, yes. I despise the appalling racism–and no small amount of sexism–that poisons my own community. And I think this essay is beautiful. But it’s worth adding that, all things considered, gay people are at the very, very, very bottom of everyone’s caste system. Even in our worst of all possible worlds, a world where few good things greet any new day, and nothing bad ever seems to go away, homophobia reigns as the eternal, ubiquitous constant in every nation. It’s easy for politically thoughtful observers, like me?, to see a cruise liner filled with muscular white men and assume the ship is named Imperial Privilege Afloat. But all those cute, smiling guys are still the most deeply-hated, widely-criminalized humans on the planet. We shouldn’t be surprised if legitimate, unaddressed anger sometimes grows ugly. Oppression doesn’t ennoble anyone, as you eloquently point out, Scott.

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By: Aditya Bondyopadhyay https://paper-bird.net/2012/03/22/cruise-control-gay-pirates-in-the-caribbean-the-economics-of-it-all-and-tony-blair/#comment-1237 Fri, 23 Mar 2012 13:38:28 +0000 http://paper-bird.net/?p=2431#comment-1237 Super liked, have shared..

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