Dozens arrested for “perversion” in a huge raid in Cairo

Arrested men from the Bab el-Bahr hammam being herded into a Central Security truck, December 7, 2014. The woman with a camera to the R may be Mona Iraqi.

Arrested men from the Bab el-Bahr hammam being herded into a Central Security truck, December 7, 2014. The woman with a cameraphone to the right appears to be Mona Iraqi.

At about 10 PM last night, December 7, police carried out a massive raid on a hammam (bathhouse) in the Ramsis area of Cairo, not far from the main railway station. They arrested many men — dozens, reportedly — and hauled them, stripped naked like concentration-camp inmates, to the trucks. Someone living nearby who watched the assault wrote on social media that “police together with Central Security forces attacked the bath.” (Central Security, Amn el-Merkezi, is an army force mainly composed of raw recruits; it takes over many policing duties in an increasingly militarized Egypt.) “40 people were arrested. Some were beaten up in the baths, and they were all arrested with no clothes.” He said “a female journalist and a cameraman” arrived “before they attacked the baths. She tried to enter and film inside, and she was kicked out by the owner. Immediately this was reported [to the police], and the baths were attacked. People say there were informers from the police inside the baths before that.”

The reporter was Mona Iraqi, presenter for the TV program El Mostakbai (The Hidden), which airs on the pro-government Al Kahera Wal Nas (Cairo and the People) news channel. Around 2:00 this morning, Mona Iraqi posted proudly about the raid on her Facebook page — along with still shots, bearing the El Mostakbai watermark. Two hours later, she took it all down. But I had saved the pictures, and a friend saved screenshots of the post. What she wrote was a promo for coming attractions.

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With pictures, we reveal the biggest den of group perversion [shuzooz gama’ay] in the heart of Cairo. …

With pictures, a filmed investigation by El Mostakbai reveals the den of perversion near the El Azbekeya police station.

El Mostakbai program, presented by the journalist Mona Iraqi … reveals the biggest den for group perversion in the Ramsis area. El Mostakbai also reveals that the den is a steam bath in the heart of Cairo, a place to have a bath and massage, for men. It’s run by a man who is 60 years old, for financial gain. It is at 35 Bab el-Bahr street, in Ramsis in the heart of Cairo.

In the bath, there are spaces for group perversion … Males of different ages and different nationalities come. The cameras of El Mostakbai managed to do a filmed investigation to prove incidents of group perversion and record the confessions of the owners of this den.

We had decided to show the episode last Wednesday [December 3]. El Mostakbai filed complaints with national institutions about what is happening in the baths. But the warrants from the prosecution were late, so the program team decided to postpone the show to give security institutions a chance to close down the baths. Immediately a force of morals police under the instruction of General Mohammed Qassem, the head of general administration for Cairo Intelligence, and with the leadership of Colonel Ahmed Hashad, the head of the investigations department of Cairo Morals [adab] Police, arrested the men who were in the baths, caught in the act during a group sex party. They also arrested the head of the den and all the workers. They were immediately transported to the prosecution with no clothes. Their clothes were taken as evidence in the case.

The El Mostakbai program will be shown next Wednesday [December 10]: the whole story of the dens for spreading AIDS in Egypt.

Stay tuned. This is a higher-headcount case than the already-famous “gay wedding video” scandal, and promises to be as high-profile. Questions multiply: for one, how long had Mona Iraqi and El Mostakbai had the hammam under surveillance? What’s clear is that another pro-Sisi media organ is working in close collusion with security forces, to produce a sensational show about sex with appalling and terrifying images, to invade privacy and engorge the prisons and destroy innocent people’s lives.

Screen shot 2014-12-08 at 4.47.05 AMIf you want to tell Mona Iraqi how you admire her, her personal Facebook page is here. (Update: Her other fan page is here. It turns out that there, the post remains up — for now.) And here are more of the horrific pictures she so avidly posted. Where the faces are blurred, it was done by me, not by Mona Iraqi.

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The woman filming on the right is probably Mona Iraqi.

I hadn’t believed tensions around sexuality and gender could rise higher in Egypt. But they have. A brutal campaign of arrests continues, and the media incitement steadily intensifies. On December 3, for instance, Youm7 — the favorite mouthpiece of the Ministry of Interior — announced that morals forces led by General Magdy Moussa had uncovered a “den of prostitution” in the rich Zamalek district of Cairo, including people it called mokhanatheen [“sissy” or effeminate], transgender, and homosexual. They “found on the site quantities of drugs and sex drive pills and underwear and sex videos.” The accused used “several Internet sites and pages to promote their sexual networks.”

This message about “networks” is a menacing constant. Egypt’s powers that be treat homosexuality and gender dissidence as political, and — like any kind of politics under an ever more constricting dictatorship — conspiratorial and sinister. In mid-November, for instance, police arrested a secondary school teacher with four other men in the Cairo suburb of Helwan, and accused him of leading a “homosexuality network” there. The ringleader had a laptop with gay images on it, as well as “women’s clothing, wine, and condoms”; yet this didn’t stop him, according to the media, from trying  to “attract sympathizers to the terrorist [Muslim] Brotherhood” — by having sex with them. He reportedly also liked to flash the four-finger salute of the Brotherhood in bed. (I have spoken to two people who knew the man distantly. They assert that while he was devout, and repelled by the state murders of Brotherhood supporters in 2013, the notion of his recruiting anyone to a political movement is absurd.) The case had a blatant quality of vengeance. During the furor over the “gay wedding” video, the banned but still militant Brotherhood had accused Sisi’s regime of bringing perverted marriage to Egypt; now the regime charges the Brotherhood with passing out pervert sex as a membership bonus. It all shows how security threats and sexual temptations blend to a single enemy in official propaganda. The man got three years in prison; his co-“conspirators,” three to nine. More lives destroyed.

Top: Defendants in the Zamalek case, from Al-Youm al-Sabbah; Bottom: Gen. Magdy Moussa, from VetoGate

Top: Defendants in the Zamalek case, from Al-Youm al-Sabbah; Bottom: Gen. Magdy Moussa, from VetoGate

The hapless lead defendant from Helwan figured again two days ago in a long, livid expose on the tabloid website VetoGate, revealing the extent of “perversion” in Egypt. By now, his crime has swelled to “managing an international perversion network.”

The investigations revealed that he was one of the leading perverts in Egypt; he was proven to have practiced perversion and also exported it to rich [Gulf] Arabs by sending them young people. … The investigations also revealed that he facilitated the travel of a number of perverts abroad under the cover of working in tourism, giving them cuts in exchange that are more than the money sluts and [female] prostitutes earn. They facilitate and make it easy for perverts to travel abroad to enjoy freedom in practicing perversion openly — with no fear of the pursuit by security forces that they experience here, because of the refusal of the Egyptian and Islamic community to tolerate these practices that go against religion, morals, and traditions.

This is heady stuff for a high-school French teacher. But the regime’s xenophobia, its loathing of the decadent Gulf (where, despite the steady support the Saudis furnish Sisi, Qatar’s rulers continue to fund the rebel Brotherhood), and its fear of any solidarities outside State surveillance — all these potent anxieties intersect. “Sexual perverts” are scapegoats and victims.

The VetoGate article is worth quoting at length. It unveils insecurities that fuel not only the crackdown but the regime’s broader politics. It claims to offer a “map of the perverts [shawazz] existing in Egypt,” given the reporter by a “source” high in the morals police: “We monitor movements and activities of many people who commit acts against morals. Especially the crimes of sexual perversion.”

Lately the number of moral crimes has been increasing. … The surprise is the increasing percentage of sexual perversion in Egypt, which has reached the highest rate in decades.

This fits neatly with the narrative by which the Sisi government, and its police, claim legitimacy. The specter of social sickness makes them needed.

The source added that the outbreak of the January 25 revolution [which overthrew Mubarak in 2011] contributed to spreading crimes and activities against morals. That was because of the absence of the security institution from the scene at that time, until the revolution of June 30 [2013: the coup that brought Sisi to power]. Since then, the national security has begun to regain its strength.

We're watching you: Graphic from VetoGate article

We’re watching you: Graphic from VetoGate article

Despite that, the perverts — “of both kinds,” male and female — are still everywhere.

Security officials drew VetoGate a map of the most popular places for perverts to go in Egypt. It includes a lot of cafes and ahawi [traditional coffeeshops] where they gather in the downtown district … and in City Stars [a giant mall] in Nasr City,  and Costa Café in Maadi and Grand Mall Maadi … and in one of the cafes in El-Giza Square in front of Omar Effendi store, and Talaat Harb Square, and El Korba Square in Heliopolis, and in front of Arcadia Mall in the area of the Maspiro building, and Cinema Café Odeon, and El Borsa Café. The source also added that sexual perverts live in Egypt hidden and discreet from all sides, like night bats, and they appear under the name “gay” [transliterated in Arabic]. You will find that each and every one has a name different from his original name, by which they call each other. There are nicknames like Oum el Ali, Oum el Farouk, Oum El Susu, Oum el Fadi [nicknames for mothers in Arabic]. …. That helps them forget their masculinity and appear feminine and arouses the instinct that they have. … They are professionals in practicing prostitution in a wide range, and with very expensive prices that compete with the prices of female sluts.

Self-evidently this justifies the government’s ongoing crackdown on downtown Cairo life, including cafes that breed deviant sex while sheltering dissident opinion.

Scene from the glamorous Cairo gay scene, Egypt's fabulous answer to Studio 54

Apparently a glimpse of the glamorous Cairo gay scene, Egypt’s fabulous answer to Studio 54

Like the Muslim Brotherhood, the society of perverts has a conspiratorial counter-government.

The source exposed a very interesting surprise, when he confirmed that the management of these networks is through a godfather for perverts who administers the ring and divides perverts among those who are craving forbidden pleasure. In pursuing this task, he also communicates with his customers among tourists and from hotels through groups and pages on social-network websites.

The godfather gives the four-finger Muslim Brotherhood salute, while making an offer you can't refuse

The godfather gives the four-finger Muslim Brotherhood salute, while making an offer you can’t refuse

The godfather also appoints mediators, who “in case of any conflict or fight between people attached in a relationship” will work “to resolve matters between them.” That is because perverts are violently jealous, and “these problems can result in strong damages to the partners and to perverts like them.” Moreover, “the source continues that the godfather also writes the perverts’ marriage contracts. It is a usual contract, with this difference, that it is a marriage between two men.” The article quotes at length from what it claims is a contract for an ‘urfi marriage (a form of Sunni union not registered in civil law) between two men. The godfather did his job devoutly: There’s even a dowry [sadaq]. The whole thing is calculated to arouse an ordinary reader to fury against the imitative impudence of perversion. The police source shares the outrage. “The throne of God is being shaken” by the perverts, he tells VetoGate, which probably made this up.

Ominously insouciant, the article even hints that charges of “debauchery” and “perversion” may unseat high state officials.

The source revealed to VetoGate … a shocking surprise. A big, well-known official in the government was arrested along with his son and others, in female outfits, while practicing forbidden pleasure in an apartment. He confessed to the prosecution that he is accustomed to practicing perversion and advertising it through the pages of social networks. He carried out and organized parties for perverts in exchange for financial gain. …

The source reveals that the forces of the administration found, after the criminal’s arrest, a number of videos showing practices of a group of perverts who hold sensitive posts in Egypt. Some videos contain dance routines, with men wearing female outfits. Other videos show them practicing perversion. The criminal declares that he intentionally recorded this discreetly during the parties that he organized for them, to protect himself, specially because some of them are in very high positions: it would be a tool of pressure that he could use if needed, to blackmail them and force them to obey his wishes …. And the source confirmed that the criminal is jailed now, by order of the prosecution.

It’s conceivable that this is just a fantasy from VetoGate, which lies regularly. Or it might actually presage a purge. (Lately cracks have showed in the seeming unanimity of State support for Sisi’s dominance. Last week voice tapes, leaked to the media in mysterious fashion, seemed to reveal high military officials conspiring to fake evidence in the trial of overthrown ex-President Morsi. If real, they suggest that somebody highly placed wants to undermine the government’s most crucial maneuvers. And possibly somebody else wants to punish him.) To speculate on the basis of this nonsense is pure paranoia. But paranoia is everywhere in Egypt these days. The government’s paranoia, rooting out perversion among sidewalk-cafe denizens slumped over shishas, finds its match in the paranoia of its subjects, reading dark plots between the lines of tabloids. Ignorance feeds ignorance. Fear breeds fear.

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Presidential aide: “Sir — sir — what will we do about the garbage, traffic, electricity, hospitals, security, income, law and order, jobs and the future — WHAT WILL WE DO ABOUT IGNORANCE!?!!” Sisi, after a pause: “…Increase ignorance!” Controversial cartoon by Andeel for Tok Tok magazine

Fear is not abstract. It finds a form in the violence inflicted on vulnerable bodies, the stripped bodies on Bab el-Bahr Street in the winter chill. Look at the pictures; the men’s backs bowed, their hands bound, dragged naked into the December night and off to hell. It is 10 AM in Cairo now, and the men must be in cells in the Azbekeya lockup, perhaps still naked, perhaps being tortured at this moment, freezing and despairing. I can think of nothing but the pictures, but thinking of them is unbearable.

The state in Egypt lives on fear. Reporters and writers who intermittently tried to live in truth, fighting fear with the strength of a lucid sentence or a honed story, now replicate the fear and spread it. They terrorize, together. Look at their victims.

From Mona Iraqi's Facebook page

From Mona Iraqi’s Facebook page

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77 thoughts on “Dozens arrested for “perversion” in a huge raid in Cairo

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  3. Mona Iraqi continues this hatred on facebook. If enough people ask for her to be removed, we can send her a strong message.

    • She is a disgrace and I would slap that butch across her face if she ever comes to New York. Vile backward and archaic woman.

  4. This is ridiculous – we all enjoy sex and having sex beyond closed doors is not and should not be a crime. What about all the straight people hanging out at swingers clubs?

    • You are ridiculous… yeah you said that wasnt a crime because you are fucking Christian but in ( ISLAM ) SEXUAL ACTIVITIES WITH THE SAME GENDER IS A HORRIBLE CRIME …..

      • Who are you man to speak about Islam or Muslims, what a crime were those innocent people had done to be beaten and Photo shot naked for a fabricated report to grab naive people’s attentions on our core problems

      • Hey Shithead (with a capital S), you know nothing about Christianity so don’t go insulting other religions. It’s because of assholes like you who are absolutely ignorant and follow absolutely everything they were told that the world is in turmoil. Contrary to what a lot of fuckers like you believe, Christianity does not accept homosexuality (even though some “places of worship” do), just like it does not accept a person converting to another religion. The only difference is that Christianity does not kill anyone for doing so.
        Try to enlighten yourself next time before opening your stupid mouth.
        And this is coming from an Arab, just like you.

  5. What these men do behind closed doors in none of Iraqi’s business. Instead of “reporting” on what adult men are doing in private, how about your uncover crime and corruption in the sick and twisted Egyptian government.

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  8. John, lets not go too far. I live in Cairo and I doubt very much that there are ANY swingers clubs in this city. Prostitution yes..lots..but no swingers clubs that I know of.
    The thing that I find impossible to understand, when I try to put myself in the shoes of the heterosexual majority of the Egyptian population (I’m gay and British living in Cairo), is that the government is focusing on this gay witch hunt and being very successful at it, I have now 2 friends that have had to pay bribes to the police under the threat of dragging them out naked onto the streets, both foreigner and trapped by police posting profiles on gay websites.
    I would be mad if I was a heterosexual Egyptian, when I look at the state of hospitals, education, thousands begging in the streets, hundreds of thousands if not millions unemployed, living in mud brick houses, buildings falling down almost daily because of lack of building regulation, corruption stopping foreign investment, threat of terrorism bring down the tourist industry that provided so many jobs, and the list goes on and on ….
    And the police has time to prioritise stopping gays from having sex???????
    No matter what your culture or religious views are on this, people should unite to defend the scapegoats…but they wont…just like western governments will not stop aid or existing lucrative deals with the egyptian government to defend the basic human rights of these people.

    • so ur british gay,,,ok since when being pervert is acceptable in anyplace around the world..u…u should first respect the law of the city u live in..its not fair for muslems not to make mosques in some areas in europe.. in france they prevent wearing scarf..its not about fair or not its about respecting the countries law…so the law say we dont accept gays doing public sex..which did happen so if ur intending to do it..do this pervert things in your house..no one will catch u not in public places.. yes we have many many problems as u said agree with u..but that doesnt have to do with wat u say.as if ur saying ur country is corrupted so catch the big corruption before u catch us..
      police is doing his job now better than before in catching car thieves too but media show what people r interested in doesnt meen police is not doing his job
      regards

  9. We all need to stand against Mona aliraqi, and fight this issue of racism that she has created. Bc of her hate those men will be abused, and miss treated. Someone needs to stop her.

  10. i just wrote to this journaliste a message , you can find her on facebook ! she have to be punished if she ever comes to a western country ! we don’t need any homophobic people arround us ! we are in 2015

  11. Awful. The program claims that it was a place for protitution. Not true!
    Program claims it’s a place to get AIDS. Maybe true, but let them then first check all the government hospitals where people get AIDS and God knows what all the time.
    So hypocritical.
    That Mona Iraqi can call herself a journalist is so sad. A hateful b*tch, that’s what she is…

  12. How about minding your own fucking business? What the fuck do you know about my country or gives you the fucking rights to involve yourself in my country’s politics you gay fuck?

    The middle east isn’t Europe. We kill homos and beat our women, bang your fucking head against a wall and again, mind your own fucking business.

    • Take your own advice mind your own fucking business or are you gay ? you straight fuck what would gays getting aids in bathhouse have to do with you ? Do you plan on fucking them or with women who would or do ? Your condoning of that level of injustice to basic human rights will have your country for that you’ve got a dictatorship they all enevadably fail pathetically holding on like leaches to the most vulnerable. How about this if you were so worried about getting aids take truvada it effectively prevents infection from aids or what about lobbying gov to subsidise this treatment to high risk groups of people like drug users and people of whatever persuasion who chose to risk their lives, if that reporter woman had a decent bone in her body she would be reporting that truth. How easily entertained you are by judgement that is antiquated and shows what a truely evil person does and your all so hypocritical that you pretend that you are “moral” .there is no reason to be so desperate to gain attention but no doubt good fodder to fill your empty minds with what atrocities your. governments must be so happy to get away with any number of other war crimes. she and anyone who thinks stoping love in any form is the one who is debortouros and depraved, and as for you Kos that you are trying to justify it shows how brainwashed and incapable you are of a compationate original thought. I feel companionate for your little existence but your willingness to throw the first stone makes me think maybe you deserve your own treatment. Don’t give me your shit about religion because love is more powerfull than that pyramid scheme. I would respect a person as much as they do me, for your opinion that would have me killed in the name of God knows what ? I guess you think I’d want you dead too but no ! I forgive you ,for you don’t know any better . But your opinion ads fuel to a fire of self hatred that for some reason humankind has nothing better to do with its time it’s truely the act of a repressed self-loathing yet active homosexual struggles with every second of their sad lives also . that is what a moral is in case you’ve never realised an actual one ,what I just did for myself ,you hate me, do you think I’d stoop to your level of intelligence and turn around an wish you dead you couldn’t /can’t and will not make me wish you I’ll will. this will end and love will be there still. Overpopulation means Mother Nature favours homosexuality ,do you think thinking something natural is wrong is evolving you in this day and age you are repeating something from thousands of years ago your “beliefs” put all man kinds future at turmoil over and you haven’t changed since then like I hate to break this to you but there is such a thing as freedom if not in your country else ware and on this tiny planet I want you to have it in your mind and body. When you saw this reported what endorphins ran though your body excitement for punishment did you imagine how that might feel being paraded to jail naked for doing what feel natural to you ? If you were being dragged out of your lovemaking or just sex even I’d be fighting for your rights too so mate butt out of the question this is to do with gay people .you don’t own me a bit more than I own you my thoughts or actions .so take your own advice back with respect and mind your own business for God sake. It’s indecribably pathetic and it shows right through you you are transparent your coming across like your about 1 mm deep. Thank you for letting me vent my frustration to somebody who so sorely deserves it. I feel a sense of satisfaction for reading your judgement and articulating logic? to love what your not going to change or stop let go of it what’s your problem ?

  13. It is one thing to be gay in Egypt.,it’s certainly not as hospitable as in the Western world, but it’s accepted by a percentage of Egypts population. To engage in debauchery, drug use, and prostitution is another all together. This type of sentiment is upheld here in the U.S. Notice that they arrested patrons of both ‘heterosexual’ and ‘homosexual’ persuasions alike. Who knows how many lives were saved long term by the governments decision to uphold the law.

  14. A disgusting person. Inhuman, she does not respect human dignity and human rights. Ignorant and uneducated they act like the ignorant people hundreds of years ago. Sorry.

  15. To Kos Omsk,Take your own advice mind your own fucking business or are you gay ? you straight fuck what would gays getting aids in bathhouse have to do with you ? Do you plan on fucking them or with women who would or do ? Your condoning of that level of injustice to basic human rights will have your country for that you’ve got a dictatorship they all enevadably fail pathetically holding on like leaches to the most vulnerable. How about this if you were so worried about getting aids take truvada it effectively prevents infection from aids or what about lobbying gov to subsidise this treatment to high risk groups of people like drug users and people of whatever persuasion who chose to risk their lives, if that reporter woman had a decent bone in her body she would be reporting that truth. How easily entertained you are by judgement that is antiquated and shows what a truely evil person does and your all so hypocritical that you pretend that you are “moral” .there is no reason to be so desperate to gain attention but no doubt good fodder to fill your empty minds with what atrocities your. governments must be so happy to get away with any number of other war crimes. she and anyone who thinks stoping love in any form is the one who is debortouros and depraved, and as for you Kos that you are trying to justify it shows how brainwashed and incapable you are of a compationate original thought. I feel companionate for your little existence but your willingness to throw the first stone makes me think maybe you deserve your own treatment. Don’t give me your shit about religion because love is more powerfull than that pyramid scheme. I would respect a person as much as they do me, for your opinion that would have me killed in the name of God knows what ? I guess you think I’d want you dead too but no ! I forgive you ,for you don’t know any better . But your opinion ads fuel to a fire of self hatred that for some reason humankind has nothing better to do with its time it’s truely the act of a repressed self-loathing yet active homosexual struggles with every second of their sad lives also . that is what a moral is in case you’ve never realised an actual one ,what I just did for myself ,you hate me, do you think I’d stoop to your level of intelligence and turn around an wish you dead you couldn’t /can’t and will not make me wish you I’ll will. this will end and love will be there still. Overpopulation means Mother Nature favours homosexuality ,do you think thinking something natural is wrong is evolving you in this day and age you are repeating something from thousands of years ago your “beliefs” put all man kinds future at turmoil over and you haven’t changed since then like I hate to break this to you but there is such a thing as freedom if not in your country else ware and on this tiny planet I want you to have it in your mind and body. When you saw this reported what endorphins ran though your body excitement for punishment did you imagine how that might feel being paraded to jail naked for doing what feel natural to you ? If you were being dragged out of your lovemaking or just sex even I’d be fighting for your rights too so mate butt out of the question this is to do with gay people .you don’t own me a bit more than I own you my thoughts or actions .so take your own advice back with respect and mind your own business for God sake. It’s indecribably pathetic and it shows right through you you are transparent your coming across like your about 1 mm deep. Thank you for letting me vent my frustration to somebody who so sorely deserves it. I feel a sense of satisfaction for reading your judgement and articulating logic? to love what your not going to change or stop let go of it what’s your problem ?

    • Dommage pour l’Égypte. Un si beau pays. Tous ceux qui mélangent religion et politique et qui tentent d’avancer des arguments teints d’homophobie sont à plaindre! Mona get a life and please work to make your country a better place for u and for me… btw i heard few times Mickeal Jackson’s songs in Egypt. HARAM! Kill the dj is a pervert!

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  19. Really sad to see things some people can do just to earn abit of fame. Mona Iraqi, you owe those men and LGTB community a big apology. You didn’t do this because you were religious. You did it because you were desperate for attention, fame and praise. Sorry to burst your bubble, you are more disgraceful as a person than those men arrested in the bath.

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  36. I am muslim and not against homosexuals, these men will be put in prison and encounter other gay prisoners who will rape them, as you know that inmates suffer from sex-hunger in prison , why you allow homosexuality in prison and forbid it in hammam ? I am sur that many policemen in Egypt are homosexual but can not be blamed , even in the army young boys are raped by their leaders. I am not gay but what is this muslim controversy ?

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